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post Jul 16 2012, 04:00 PM
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post Jul 16 2012, 04:06 PM
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This weapon is now over powered. Revert it until it can be fixed and tested better, Agon is two handed and it doesn't hit as hard as Lotn I think that's unfair.
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post Jul 16 2012, 04:57 PM
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post Jul 16 2012, 06:57 PM
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How is it overpowered at all? Moss Spiked Spear is still just as good if not better, also Agon specials 10x more than Lotn does, and hits faster, so...
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post Jul 16 2012, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(Xervis @ Jul 16 2012, 06:06 PM) *
This weapon is now over powered. Revert it until it can be fixed and tested better, Agon is two handed and it doesn't hit as hard as Lotn I think that's unfair.


How is this overpowered at all... It is a slower then Agon and specials a lot less often then Agon. Also wtf is the point of mentioning Agon is two handed when comparing them as LoTN is also two handed...
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:45 AM
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I will tell you why I mention the AGON, because with the AGON build that's the only good sword you get, you can use Mujahedin blade I think with a shield, but you will never ever reach the potential that you can with lotn build, and honestly I don't see that buffing Lotn is really fair to those who play AGON, we don't need a two handed weapon for other builds that competes with AGON unless agon gets buffed as well due to the handicap on weapon and armor choices for those who play AGON, No two handed weapon outside of the agon build should even come close to an agon in my opinion.

Buff AGON, it needs to hit hard, that build doesn't get to use shields, it needs to be the most powerful dps weapon in game. I mean you have Zules build, and Sott Build, both of these builds get a tremendous amount of items and weapons and armor, Yet those who play Agon will never get the prot a zules gets, or the healing power a sott build gets, and yet it doesn't do much more damage if any.

I recommend Buffing agon to 54-96 1.40 speed.
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post Jul 17 2012, 03:47 AM
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Please dont feed the troll. LOTN is rare as hell and it still isnt very good apparently.
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post Jul 17 2012, 05:58 AM
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So to sum up - "Wahhh something is stronger than my build. My build should be the best. I can't handle game changes that don't benefit me. Make me stronger." ??

Lance of the north has a static trigger that barely specials as opposed to the dex/str triggers of agon, sott, zule, moss, etc that go off much more often.
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post Jul 17 2012, 08:53 AM
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First LOTN is very Rare, 2nd Agon hits regular hits for 690+, 3rd Agon speed is faster, 4th Agon build can use Sott pretty damn well and MOSS, 5th Agon Spcl is way more frequent.

All of this and I dont even own one so it being buffed or nerfed is not of much consequence to me.

Its real use is on H server and the number of active LOTNs there is very minimal.
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Tetsujin @ Jul 17 2012, 05:58 AM) *
QUOTE(Xervis @ Jul 17 2012, 02:45 AM) *


So to sum up - "Wahhh something is stronger than my build. My build should be the best. I can't handle game changes that don't benefit me. Make me stronger." ??

Lance of the north has a static trigger that barely specials as opposed to the dex/str triggers of agon, sott, zule, moss, etc that go off much more often.



With all due respect I don't think you're reading anything that I wrote you just saw a few sentences and jumped to conclusions, I am not agon build, I am actually Dex Con, so I have no direct benefit if Agon gets buffed. I believe in balance and there for I made my previous post, it has nothing to do with wanting agon to be the best build in game, or changes that don't benefit me directly.

I find it incomprehensible how you could jump to such a conclusion with out knowing my motives or my personality. I want agon buffed if other two handed weapons get buffed due to the fact that the build is handicapped on armor, and must be a strictly dps build. and I feel any build that can use top end shields, and armor shouldn't have the most dps.
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:08 PM
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+1 to agon being buffed, it's actually less dps than a zule and no shield (no block ability, loss of AC/stats) really sucks.
I always been agon fan and been agon for a long time. but now I am zule and I just cannot let the shield go. just not worth the loss.
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Xervis @ Jul 17 2012, 04:45 AM) *
I will tell you why I mention the AGON, because with the AGON build that's the only good sword you get, you can use Mujahedin blade I think with a shield, but you will never ever reach the potential that you can with lotn build, and honestly I don't see that buffing Lotn is really fair to those who play AGON, we don't need a two handed weapon for other builds that competes with AGON unless agon gets buffed as well due to the handicap on weapon and armor choices for those who play AGON, No two handed weapon outside of the agon build should even come close to an agon in my opinion.

Buff AGON, it needs to hit hard, that build doesn't get to use shields, it needs to be the most powerful dps weapon in game. I mean you have Zules build, and Sott Build, both of these builds get a tremendous amount of items and weapons and armor, Yet those who play Agon will never get the prot a zules gets, or the healing power a sott build gets, and yet it doesn't do much more damage if any.

I recommend Buffing agon to 54-96 1.40 speed.


For one, who and when was it decided for Agon to be the end all be all of DPS builds? Agon was a random weapon made for a random build when SoC came out to give some variety and now you claim it should be the best DPS build in game and nothing else should be better then it as far as two handed weapons go. People using LoTN or any PA for that matter also don't get to use a shield so by your logic they should also be the most powerful DPS weapons in game.

Also, wtf is a SoTT build... SoTT can be worn by anyone with 100 str, 30 dex, 100 LBs. That includes both Agon and any person who goes 30 dex or more when using LoTN so both builds can use it, so yes they can get the "healing power a SoTT build gets" since they ARE A SOTT BUILD. Agon also gets to use Eternium, Paladain and Dragonguard which are the better of the 106-110 gear choices for warriors. Yes, they don't get BR gear (which is kindda **** besides a few pieces anyways) or KC or EEO like BM's and dex/str can but thats one of the things about not being a pure build.

Another thing and if I'm wrong on this part someone plz correct me but are these not the requirements for LoTN and Agon..

LoTN: STR 100+, CON 20+, LVL 100+
Agon: STR 100+, DEX 50+, CON 75+, LVL 100+

Which clearly shows that people going a build that can use Agon can also use LoTN since they have to have 100 str and over 20 con to use Agon which are LoTN's requirements... So your whole argument there is pretty much flawed since Agon build can use LoTN. Then the last thing is Agon is such an easy weapon to get (well maybe not atm with Gold bosses reported epicness) and a weapon that is not hard at all to find a seller for which sells for like 50 tokens (maybe a little more or less but nothing big) where LoTN is one of if not the rarest non-artifact item in game which sells for a couple thousand tokens...
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post Jul 17 2012, 11:31 PM
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Checkmate.
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post Jul 18 2012, 07:45 AM
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Yea, Agon build = awesome DPS, good tankability, Use of Sott, use of some of the best armors in game, use of best PAs in game, use of best Xbows in game... Does not need a buff. Small tweek to super rare LOTN does not warrent buff to Agon which is a "Hybrid" build anyway.
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post Jul 18 2012, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(SERVENT @ Jul 18 2012, 08:45 AM) *
Yea, Agon build = awesome DPS, good tankability, Use of Sott, use of some of the best armors in game, use of best PAs in game, use of best Xbows in game... Does not need a buff. Small tweek to super rare LOTN does not warrent buff to Agon which is a "Hybrid" build anyway.



agon is nice if u got a sott then u can use a shield and don't need agon. but if ur agon and have no sott, u are weak compared to a zule same lvl, gear, etc. that shield really makes a big difference. just saying.
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post Jul 18 2012, 06:33 PM
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If anything LOTN should be buffed more ...............theres what 15-16 in the entire game......if not less.................. both servers?............. It Should be a Super weapon!
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:09 AM
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Lotn only benefits 5 people in game. Why are the Dev's wasting time on it? There are more people without it, so make their stuff better. If anything, make this a socialist game and weaken the lotn so the tyranny of the few won't live in our fair lands!!
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:32 AM
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I myself don't see much/any difference in lotn since the patch. Not a big deal, I still think it's a good weapon(that's more like a trophy)
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(Sleepy Jr @ Jul 20 2012, 08:51 PM) *
Thats why the Lotn should be better.............. Cause it only benefits the strong.... the people who face pallus on a day to day.... the hardest boss.... the rarest drop...... get one and you'll respect it.... lets see if you can


except pallus is not that hard of a boss since 1 person with a few zerks can go kill him anytime, sure you may die a few times but thats just an annoyance and nothin more
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post Jul 22 2012, 08:56 AM
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Paulis isn't even the one who drops the damn PA. It's his damn placeholder.
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