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Dev Fletch
post Dec 16 2011, 07:13 PM
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Using hacks or exploits, even if they seem insignificant will result in permanent bans of accounts.

A theoretical example of this would be an exploit that lets you see through walls.
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(Dev Fletch @ Dec 16 2011, 07:13 PM) *
Using hacks or exploits, even if they seem insignificant will result in permanent bans of accounts.

A theoretical example of this would be an exploit that lets you see through walls.


Every single boss in game is killed using ''theoretical' exploits.

The userbase is already small enough that you can barely get parties to kill bosses, is this threat to eliminate those who remain?
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(Dooman @ Dec 16 2011, 07:20 PM) *
Every single boss in game is killed using ''theoretical' exploits.

The userbase is already small enough that you can barely get parties to kill bosses, is this threat to eliminate those who remain?


It is consensus that we would rather have 1 player who doesn't cheat than 100 who do.
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(Dev Fletch @ Dec 16 2011, 07:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Dooman @ Dec 16 2011, 07:20 PM) *
Every single boss in game is killed using ''theoretical' exploits.

The userbase is already small enough that you can barely get parties to kill bosses, is this threat to eliminate those who remain?


It is consensus that we would rather have 1 player who doesn't cheat than 100 who do.


The boss you are directly referring to, even using this 'exploit', still takes about a 7 man party to kill.

Like I said, every boss ingame is killed using exploits. From White Fang, straight through to GoL. Heck, wouldn't even the method Mukk is killed technically be an exploit?
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:31 PM
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where does a developer draw the line between tactic and exploit, when it comes to mukk, vint, gol, etc. Being vague is not a warning. Is using warriors to make a wall at mukk an exploit? serious question.
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(Burzy @ Dec 16 2011, 07:31 PM) *
where does a developer draw the line between tactic and exploit, when it comes to mukk, vint, gol, etc. Being vague is not a warning. Is using warriors to make a wall at mukk an exploit? serious question.


See "theoretical" example.
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post Dec 16 2011, 07:35 PM
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Man it's sad the first post in a while from a dev is about this........
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post Dec 16 2011, 08:58 PM
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Semantics.

Violation of rule #5 of the RoC:

5. Using a third-party program to automate actions within the game (i.e. macroing).

Violation of rule #10:

10. Exploiting of game bugs and/or game systems.

Either can get you banned depending on the nature and results of use (think "dupe bug, TM bug", etc.); however, #5 is what will really get you slammed automatically, so please don't. Cheating spells game death just as much as lack of players. We don't want to have to lose any players but as the Dev said "we would rather have 1 player who doesn't cheat than 100 who do."

P.S. And if you pick up a little key-logger along with that hack, please don't blame PMG.
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post Dec 17 2011, 05:27 AM
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The way in which Mukk is killed is not bugging you noobs.
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post Dec 17 2011, 06:08 AM
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Its called playing the game how it is. Ofcouse **** like duping is obvious exploit cuz u keep getting profit by doing nothing, but if u go there and know how to do the boss the easier way its not something bad. You still need to kill it through all the heals and stuff. People were hooking RTs on water back in the past, but that was changed. Did any1 got banned for killing like that? I dont think so. So why some1 who thinks of better tactic how to do boss should be banned for being there and killing boss while wasting ammo, pots and most importantly time. I dont see why. If you dont like how it is change the game mechanics like you did in the past.
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post Dec 17 2011, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Dooman @ Dec 16 2011, 08:24 PM) *
Like I said, every boss ingame is killed using exploits. From White Fang, straight through to GoL. Heck, wouldn't even the method Mukk is killed technically be an exploit?


The thing is, no boss in game needs an exploit used to kill it. People killed GoL, White Fang, Vint and all the others without using exploits, now people are just lazy and don't kill things the real way anymore.
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post Dec 17 2011, 06:03 PM
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then since with vints room you can already see the entire screen, and arent using anything to make him visible, it only refers to gol with bodies.
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post Dec 17 2011, 07:11 PM
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Although interesting -- You guys are the ones talking about boss fights.
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post Dec 17 2011, 08:16 PM
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The thing is, no boss in game needs an exploit used to kill it. People killed GoL, White Fang, Vint and all the others without using exploits, now people are just lazy and don't kill things the real way anymore.


There isnt even enough people still playing this game to do these bosses the proper way anymore, saying that when some of these bosses are advertised people dont even want to do them.
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post Dec 17 2011, 08:36 PM
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Ask in legends chat for 2 people for vint and you'll get no reply 99% of the time. good luck getting 7 for GoL even though its a guaranteed $$$ drop. back in the summer you would have to turn people down for parties and even then it was kind of dead.
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post Dec 18 2011, 12:56 PM
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Nothings guaranteed, especially in AE...Enjoy your wonderlust.
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post Dec 19 2011, 11:41 AM
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standing in open door. As Designed....

Shooting boss with arrows and spells. As Designed....

Tanks taking damage from mobs. As Designed....

Needing teamwork to kill a boss. As Designed....

Hail Talazar!
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post Dec 19 2011, 07:16 PM
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Hail Talazar!
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post Dec 20 2011, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(Dev Fletch @ Dec 18 2011, 03:11 AM) *
Although interesting -- You guys are the ones talking about boss fights.

Yes, because that's not what you obviously were aiming at, right?
Please stop beating around the bush and say what you want us to know, rather than stating some vague stuff that is open for interpretation.
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post Dec 20 2011, 04:11 AM
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Dev Fletch was not talking about blocking bosses. We do not consider that illegal. What is always illegal is abusing and not reporting bugs as well as use of ANY 3rd party programs to manipulate the game.

Clear?
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