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Posted by: OneEye Dec 24 2015, 05:44 AM

We are readying a newsletter to be sent out to all the subscribers, but in the meantime, you guys can see the content below.

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Hello Ashen Empires Fans!

We have some exciting news for 2016! We are readying Ashen Empires to be submitted to Steam for Greenlight.

How will this help the game? Steam is the premier PC game service and has 90 million plus members. With Ashen Empires in their catalog, it will increase the visibility of the game which will provide a boost in the number of players. More players means more developer support will be possible as we move the game forward.

What is Steam Greenlight? Steam Greenlight is a system that enlists the community's help in picking some of the new games to be released on Steam.

What can you do to help? First, we want to capture movies of Ashen Empires gameplay with lots of different players online. We also will grab some new screenshots showing our top players in action. This will help Steam users who are unfamiliar with the game get a real taste of what it's all about. To do this we would like you to log in and play. To give a bit of incentive, we will offer ONE MONTH FREE of VIP time if you log in and play over the weekend of January 9th and 10th.

We will send out another newsletter when we have turned on our Steam Greenlight submission. At that time we will ask that you go to our Steam page (we will share a link) and vote for Ashen Empires to be greenlit and added to the Steam Library.

Don't worry, Ashen Empires will remain FREE TO PLAY. If you haven't played in awhile, you should jump in and get your skills up to par. You can download the game launcher to start playing within minutes -- or jump into the conversation on the forums.

When the Greenlight is accepted there will be a new UPDATE to the game made available. We know that many of you have waited a very long time for a big update to the game. We won't spoil too many of the details but several things that players have been lo(n)ging for for a very lo(n)g time will be included.

If you don't have a Steam account, you can create one now and download the Steam client by clicking this http://store.steampowered.com/about/. It's FREE, so there is absolutely no risk to you.

Thanks for all of your support!

The Pixel Mine Staff


Posted by: Dropsun Dec 24 2015, 06:00 AM

> To give a bit of incentive, we will offer ONE MONTH FREE of VIP time if you log in and play over the weekend of January 9th and 10th.


Will this extend to Dransik players? You've not mentioned anything about Dransik at all, yet. I assume it'll be fine and dandy alongside AE?

Posted by: YoYo Dec 24 2015, 06:01 AM

What will this mean for Dransik?

Posted by: SoulHarvester Dec 24 2015, 06:23 AM

Great news, looking forward for that :)

Posted by: SilverKNite Dec 24 2015, 06:45 AM

Will we be able to use Sandboxie on Steam - play more than one account?

Posted by: Pbpredator Dec 24 2015, 07:14 AM

You guys bring a whole new level to trolling. Every Christmas we hear about the update finally being released. This year you decide to finally take the advice to green light. Instead of making this announcement via forum or news letter, maybe, just maybe... you could spend an hour updating the AE website and make the announcement there... I'm sure the new players will love reading through the posts from 2009 and all, but maybe something more relevant would suit them. Maybe give the perception that this game hasn't been dead for 7+ years.

Posted by: SilverKNite Dec 24 2015, 07:22 AM

QUOTE(Pbpredator @ Dec 24 2015, 07:14 AM) *
You guys bring a whole new level to trolling. Every Christmas we hear about the update finally being released. This year you decide to finally take the advice to green light. Instead of making this announcement via forum or news letter, maybe, just maybe... you could spend an hour updating the AE website and make the announcement there... I'm sure the new players will love reading through the posts from 2009 and all, but maybe something more relevant would suit them. Maybe give the perception that this game hasn't been dead for 7+ years.


Some of us play every day so someone saying the game is dead is misleading to say the least - if you don't want to play just stop - you will be the one "Dead" not the game or us who play it

Posted by: Zepharius Dec 24 2015, 07:32 AM

(N)?!

Posted by: SoulHarvester Dec 24 2015, 07:35 AM

QUOTE(SilverKNite @ Dec 24 2015, 03:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Pbpredator @ Dec 24 2015, 07:14 AM) *
You guys bring a whole new level to trolling. Every Christmas we hear about the update finally being released. This year you decide to finally take the advice to green light. Instead of making this announcement via forum or news letter, maybe, just maybe... you could spend an hour updating the AE website and make the announcement there... I'm sure the new players will love reading through the posts from 2009 and all, but maybe something more relevant would suit them. Maybe give the perception that this game hasn't been dead for 7+ years.


Some of us play every day so someone saying the game is dead is misleading to say the least - if you don't want to play just stop - you will be the one "Dead" not the game or us who play it

I think he wants to point out that latest news were posted "Wednesday, March 25, 2009", meaning the game might seem dead for 6+ years and new people might end up closing the site. They need to start releasing some news there too :)

Posted by: OneEye Dec 24 2015, 07:41 AM

We don't use the AE website for updating news. The news page there has been disabled for some time. You can find the latest news here, on Facebook or on the Pixel Mine site.

Posted by: OneEye Dec 24 2015, 07:52 AM

We will update the news archive to make it more clear that news is not posted there.

Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: Theforgotone Dec 24 2015, 08:23 AM

Answer the damn question.. what will this mean for dransik?

Posted by: OneEye Dec 24 2015, 08:46 AM

There will be no change for Dransik.

Posted by: Akhenaton Dec 24 2015, 10:29 AM

Im really glad to hear this.

BUT, it doesn't change the fact that the game should receive more attention FROM THE DEV TEAM. Not going to smash the same button over and over.

Besides that, some news years promotional discounts should occur or even you should try to work out with mmorpg.com(and/or other mmo sites) and do some give aways.

"What kind if giveaways?" I dont know. Maybe cosmetic items, maybe a tiny survival pack for the weaklings(me), etc.

Posted by: Succubus Dec 24 2015, 11:05 AM

And there was much rejoicing! AECbiggrin.gif

Posted by: Iorthunger Dec 24 2015, 12:26 PM

Now that there has been more information provided on this change - I can say that I'm very happy to hear this!
Can't make any promises, but, i'll try to logon periodically and much more often to help the new-comers that this will bring!


Poro Pojat went pretty well for the time it was active. Would be cool to restart it if anyone is interested.

QUOTE(Iorthunger @ Sep 30 2013, 06:36 PM) *
On a more serious note: I would like to get a group together to help out the next generation of players. It seems like a lot of new folks are getting ignored or killed.
The player population is much to fragile to not help, or worse, harass the newer guys.

Now, I'm not very active and unfortunately have very limited time for the game nowadays, so I can only do so much. Of course, when possible I'll log on and do what I can to help out.

If successful, this guild will NOT be NAPED with any of the new ''top dogs'' on H. There will be PVP at least on my part which will most likely put whoever joins at a higher risk of getting attacked. Hopefully, there will be enough helpful guys in guild to avoid discouragement.

My goal for this guild is to get the new players involved, As well as teaching the new generation vital organization skills on the battle field.

Anyway, if this sounds interesting to any of you guys just starting out or old vets wanting to help, get it contact with me.

Posted by: Artorius Dec 24 2015, 12:55 PM

Great news...thank you.

Posted by: Dire Elf Dec 24 2015, 03:52 PM

You've got my vote. As a long-term heavy MMO goer, the biggest drawback has been the limited playerbase. I remember this game during beta and how packed the world was. I hope to see it achieve this again. The game is superb to most MMO's with the amount of content and character development offered. That being said, I plan on pushing this through greenlight the moment it is up! Finally happy to see some news I can be excited for!

Posted by: Davey Dec 24 2015, 04:49 PM

OneEye, does the video have to be explicitly gameplay footage? Or could you make like a montage video?

The reason I ask is because you could capture different elements of gameplay into a video montage with text on screen about the basics.

I'm no expert in video making, but I have an image in my head of stages of the video.

"Pixelmine Games Presents"
"Ashen Empires (formerly known as Dransik)"
"Created in 1998, now free to play with VIP options"
Video shows the character select screen, and someone picking out their character and logging in.
Video snippets of various elements being shown:
Crafting, Fighting, Party hunting, Guilds, Housing, PVP, Sailing, Questing, Boss hunts, different terrains (caves, snow, lava, desert, etc.)
And then the video ends with: "Try it today free!"

If anyone has anything to add to that, feel free! This could be a very different future for AE, so lets make this work.

Posted by: Davey Dec 24 2015, 05:19 PM

I honestly think that if you make a deal about the age of the game, then that will be a winning ticket. People will feel some assurance that it's been around for years.

Posted by: Theforgotone Dec 24 2015, 11:38 PM

QUOTE(OneEye @ Dec 24 2015, 08:46 AM) *
There will be no change for Dransik.


Thanks

Posted by: Warrior X Dec 25 2015, 06:50 AM

Dransik is doomed anyway forgotten one, the game needs work that isn't going to be done to it to save it, and then and only then maybe put it on steam as well and I'm sure it would grow and become great again, like said people on steam will play old games, after all there's people who would play if they knew about the game and if it wasn't in such a piece of **** state now, but both DC and AE aren't advertised enough and not in the right places to make them get noticed, and those who do notice can look at forums, facebook page, or log on game a few mins hearing people talk and realize game has been at this stand still stage for a long time now, and push them away from playing.

Posted by: Theforgotone Dec 25 2015, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(Warrior X @ Dec 25 2015, 06:50 AM) *
Dransik is doomed anyway forgotten one, the game needs work that isn't going to be done to it to save it, and then and only then maybe put it on steam as well and I'm sure it would grow and become great again, like said people on steam will play old games, after all there's people who would play if they knew about the game and if it wasn't in such a piece of **** state now, but both DC and AE aren't advertised enough and not in the right places to make them get noticed, and those who do notice can look at forums, facebook page, or log on game a few mins hearing people talk and realize game has been at this stand still stage for a long time now, and push them away from playing.


+1

Posted by: Zafar Dec 25 2015, 05:46 PM

awesome news! biggrin.gif I hope everything turns out well!

Posted by: NeoGico Dec 26 2015, 01:48 AM

nice one! Can you please boost the post on facebook if it hasn't been already. Never saw the post, lets try and get as many people online for the January weekend as possible. spread that word

Posted by: Ashleigh Dec 26 2015, 05:49 AM

I'm looking forward to see how Steam will have an influence on AE's population. I think this really is what the game needs. I might even be tempted to play a little more if the the game becomes more populated :-)

Posted by: Norco Dec 26 2015, 11:58 AM

QUOTE(OneEye @ Dec 24 2015, 12:44 PM) *
What can you do to help? First, we want to capture movies of Ashen Empires gameplay with lots of different players online. We also will grab some new screenshots showing our top players in action. This will help Steam users who are unfamiliar with the game get a real taste of what it's all about. To do this we would like you to log in and play. To give a bit of incentive, we will offer ONE MONTH FREE of VIP time if you log in and play over the weekend of January 9th and 10th.

Asuming everything goes well, I might stream some AE on a new char then just for the heck of it.

Posted by: reikoshea Dec 28 2015, 07:09 PM

I know that fraud is still a big issue, but is there someway to put a timeout on getting your stars? I logged back in this week, added my new card, and now I'm at 2 stars. Of course I can just send a support ticket, but it seems like having them regenerate over time. 10-14 days? Whatever your normal fraud refund time is...but something.

I'm sure if I need to trade tokens I'll just throw you a ticket, but I imagine, this issue will come up pretty quickly after your greenlight announcement.

Posted by: Zerzil Dec 29 2015, 03:25 AM

Hey oneeye I dont have acess to the email address I strted my account with will this be a problem when the game starts going through steam

Will there be a fresh new server I wouldnt want to loose my characters in a server wipe but I would like to play on a new server

Posted by: Akhenaton Dec 29 2015, 02:31 PM

Same thing. New server without server moves for a long period. Everyone starting fresh.

Posted by: Ashleigh Dec 29 2015, 02:45 PM

Would be an ideal way to give new players a better sense of community, rather than discovering a lot of people just hunt certain high level areas. I miss the days of seeing several people fighting for farm spots :P

Posted by: Orbiss Dec 29 2015, 08:13 PM

QUOTE(Akhenaton @ Dec 29 2015, 02:31 PM) *
Same thing. New server without server moves for a long period. Everyone starting fresh.


Well if we are all sharing our dreams, that server would have the alignment pvp system : D

Posted by: Dropsun Dec 29 2015, 11:11 PM

QUOTE(Ashleigh @ Dec 29 2015, 02:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Akhenaton @ Dec 29 2015, 08:31 PM) *
Same thing. New server without server moves for a long period. Everyone starting fresh.



Would be an ideal way to give new players a better sense of community, rather than discovering a lot of people just hunt certain high level areas. I miss the days of seeing several people fighting for farm spots tongue.gif

This game hasn't had a fresh start server since Eidolon days... which is well over 7 years ago, and during iso. I wonder how it would go.

Posted by: Zerzil Dec 30 2015, 03:35 AM

If we dreaming it would be pvp fo sure with the old alignment system, no server moves in, original experience, no orb resets

Posted by: Angeline Silverfire Dec 30 2015, 06:51 PM

I have been waiting and waiting forever for some new content. I really do hope that steam is the way to go to revitalize our population and bring some new blood around. Guess the "green team" will break out the gear and have some fun =)

Posted by: hightech Jan 1 2016, 03:36 PM

Add Dransik as a $4.99 game with 25x exp and solo player

Posted by: Warrior X Jan 1 2016, 04:07 PM

QUOTE(hightech @ Jan 1 2016, 03:36 PM) *
Add Dransik as a $4.99 game with 25x exp and solo player


lol

Posted by: Zerzil Jan 2 2016, 08:29 AM

Is the (n) in lo(n)ging cryptic for a quest log?

Posted by: Afkaserious Jan 2 2016, 09:13 PM

Ill be on sometime during that weekend for sure. Do us a favor. Bring back skeletons as bodies instead of the current graves. They look like shite.

Posted by: Nergal Jan 6 2016, 09:01 AM

QUOTE(Warrior X @ Jan 1 2016, 04:07 PM) *
QUOTE(hightech @ Jan 1 2016, 03:36 PM) *
Add Dransik as a $4.99 game with 25x exp and solo player


lol



Funny as it sounds, make it a co-op game and I would buy a bundle for all my friends on steam.

Posted by: donjn Jan 7 2016, 05:46 PM

The quest lo(n)g ive been asking for years about. OneEye! OMG is this going to happen??

Posted by: donjn Jan 7 2016, 05:47 PM

With this, will we be able to use Steam funds for purchases? That would be insane!

Posted by: Halsort Jan 12 2016, 05:20 AM


Will the one month free subscriptions only be added after the game joins the Steam system?

I received an email asking me to log in over the weekend which I did with 3 accounts (2 of which used to have subscriptions some time ago but have expired) So far none of the accounts can use the vip soulstone or have the account bank.

On logging back in I noticed I still have tokens left to use which I had forgotten about!

Posted by: OneEye Jan 12 2016, 08:53 AM

We will add the free month the next time we take the servers down for maintenance.

Posted by: LL Jan 12 2016, 10:24 AM

any idea on when that will be OE?

Posted by: Kab00m Jan 12 2016, 01:19 PM

That can take some time...And i tought we get it right after weekend -.-

Posted by: Afkaserious Jan 12 2016, 02:22 PM

Just get VIP while waiting. If you want to level quickly thats the way to go.

Posted by: OneEye Jan 12 2016, 08:15 PM

More than likely this weekend.

Posted by: Jerod Jan 13 2016, 05:00 PM

Does that mean that we can expect some sort of update this weekend?

Posted by: Urglab Jan 14 2016, 11:15 AM

The server restart did not actually give out the 1 month vip OE.

EDIT nvm, now it updated vip.

Posted by: Zalin Jan 16 2016, 02:59 PM

QUOTE(Urglab @ Jan 14 2016, 11:15 AM) *
The server restart did not actually give out the 1 month vip OE.

EDIT nvm, now it updated vip.



lolurg

Posted by: bryzar Jan 16 2016, 08:26 PM

better late than never ! great decision One Eye finally a step in the right direction . AECwink.gif

Posted by: Vodga Jan 21 2016, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(Akhenaton @ Dec 29 2015, 02:31 PM) *
Same thing. New server without server moves for a long period. Everyone starting fresh.


This a thousand times, please make this happen please please. Years ago i officially "quit" the game and sold / gave away all my endgame items (full e set, sotts etc you name it) so starting again in Legends/Heroes even with steam wont be enough incentive for me and players in a similar situation, but if a new server would start barring all char transfers and being totally new and independent would definitely motivate me and others i know to start from scratch again.

Please OE please................ please make it happen.

Posted by: LordLink Jan 21 2016, 03:41 PM

ETA on next informational update.. how did the initial submission to steam go?

Posted by: Primo Jan 22 2016, 02:29 AM

When released on steam is there going to be a fresh new server ? That would be pretty cool, seeing a bunch of new players that haven't played AE ever before grouping up and exploring together.
Sure beats being thrown into the wolf pit..

Posted by: Slugworth Feb 2 2016, 02:22 PM

Well done OE - this has to be the best news I have heard for AE since I first started playing here years ago.

I have faith that steam will revitalize the community and Ashen Empires will see a new golden age. This game deserves it, and so do those of you who have kept this game running for so long.

I wish I had seen the news in time to log in over the weekend 9th/10th january.

Is there still anything the community can do to help out, or has the window of opportunity passed?

Please keep us all updated on how things turn out!

Posted by: OneEye Feb 3 2016, 06:16 AM

keep making videos and posting them to youtube.

More tours of areas would be great.

Example, tour of the shadow temple or a guide to silvest. That kind of thing.

Posted by: Urglab Feb 3 2016, 06:32 AM

I'd like to point out for those with relatively new NVIDIA graphics cards that you can easily use the shadowplay feature to record AE, just by setting it to record the desktop.

Shadowplay does require a GTX 600 series or higher graphics card though. Not really any impact on performance because it's all handled by the GPU and file size seems relatively small with good enough quality.

Posted by: alfoid Feb 3 2016, 09:36 AM

Why wouldn't steam accept AE. I've browsed steam several times from lowest to highest price and there are hundreds of trash titles on there. My point being that the bar doesn't seem to be set too high. I don't see why AE would have problems.

Posted by: reikoshea Feb 3 2016, 12:56 PM

They probably want to put their best foot forward so that if the game gets covered by anyone major that the player influx isn't wasted.

Also, your first 3 days on steam are the most important. You get top billing on the featured page for a few hours and then you're still on there for 1-3 days, so you'll pick up a lot of folks that way, and if the expectations of gamers in 2016 isn't met, the game won't be sticky enough for people to sub, and then what was the point of releasing the game on steam.

While I REALLY want to see new content, the business implications of this shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't think it'd be wise for them to release sooner than they're ready to, otherwise they'll have squandered the best opportunity they have to hook a new player base.

Posted by: sick Feb 3 2016, 05:59 PM

LOL @ the people who quit/giveaway/sold their account/gear and asking now that they server be wiped to benefit them.

Posted by: Afkaserious Feb 3 2016, 08:05 PM

The ingame currency (gold) is barely used. How do you think new players would feel asking for noob gear and people wanting tokens for them? A new server would be awesome for everybody. PvP server with starting areas being Safe Zones everywhere else is fair game except spawn points.

Posted by: Dropsun Feb 4 2016, 01:08 AM

This game hasn't seen a fresh start since Eidolon server. There's no telling how it'd go. Could revitalize the game a lot if it was a pvp server.

Posted by: alfoid Feb 4 2016, 05:46 AM

You really underestimate the altruism of the AE population. I've crafted and given away so much gear to noobs and I know many others that do too. Also, with a denser population maybe people will actually hunt lower level mobs that drop level appropriate gear. I mean, you see so many people at zombie pirates and skeletons in new royale, right?. They drop so much cool noob stuff but everyone would rather just level in pre-ds gear at minos. Makes no sense. Nobody seems to want to enjoy the game, they just want to level the fastest and have all the best stuff. Hopefully if a larger population of new players shows up they actually level slow and enjoy all the old quests and hunts and explore rather than going straight to hell to hit 110.

Posted by: alfoid Feb 4 2016, 05:52 AM

QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 3 2016, 12:56 PM) *
They probably want to put their best foot forward so that if the game gets covered by anyone major that the player influx isn't wasted.

Also, your first 3 days on steam are the most important. You get top billing on the featured page for a few hours and then you're still on there for 1-3 days, so you'll pick up a lot of folks that way, and if the expectations of gamers in 2016 isn't met, the game won't be sticky enough for people to sub, and then what was the point of releasing the game on steam.

While I REALLY want to see new content, the business implications of this shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't think it'd be wise for them to release sooner than they're ready to, otherwise they'll have squandered the best opportunity they have to hook a new player base.


I just looked at steams free to play section and there are only 2 pages of results unless I was doing something wrong when I searched. And there and hundreds of indie titles with old school graphics. That's like the thing now. Look how popular hotline miami was and that looked like garbage. AE can get a revival, it's just been stuck in a dark musty corner of the internet for 10 years.

Posted by: Dropsun Feb 4 2016, 07:12 AM

QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 4 2016, 05:46 AM) *
You really underestimate the altruism of the AE population. I've crafted and given away so much gear to noobs and I know many others that do too. Also, with a denser population maybe people will actually hunt lower level mobs that drop level appropriate gear. I mean, you see so many people at zombie pirates and skeletons in new royale, right?. They drop so much cool noob stuff but everyone would rather just level in pre-ds gear at minos. Makes no sense. Nobody seems to want to enjoy the game, they just want to level the fastest and have all the best stuff. Hopefully if a larger population of new players shows up they actually level slow and enjoy all the old quests and hunts and explore rather than going straight to hell to hit 110.

That's because gaming has a whole is about optimizing and getting to the end game as fast as possible in any MMOs as well. Usually because the start of the game is boring, dated, and etc. AE suffers alot from this.

Posted by: Warrior X Feb 4 2016, 07:43 AM

I don't want a server wipe. I just want a new server added on the list with the current 1's, except with no DTMs, no faction system, but better drop rates and change in some gear that drops; example dragon scale gear removed from nith and added to green dragons.

Posted by: reikoshea Feb 4 2016, 08:49 AM

QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 4 2016, 06:52 AM) *
QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 3 2016, 12:56 PM) *
They probably want to put their best foot forward so that if the game gets covered by anyone major that the player influx isn't wasted.

Also, your first 3 days on steam are the most important. You get top billing on the featured page for a few hours and then you're still on there for 1-3 days, so you'll pick up a lot of folks that way, and if the expectations of gamers in 2016 isn't met, the game won't be sticky enough for people to sub, and then what was the point of releasing the game on steam.

While I REALLY want to see new content, the business implications of this shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't think it'd be wise for them to release sooner than they're ready to, otherwise they'll have squandered the best opportunity they have to hook a new player base.


I just looked at steams free to play section and there are only 2 pages of results unless I was doing something wrong when I searched. And there and hundreds of indie titles with old school graphics. That's like the thing now. Look how popular hotline miami was and that looked like garbage. AE can get a revival, it's just been stuck in a dark musty corner of the internet for 10 years.


This is what mean: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win

That list is what shows up on steam's front page, and if I'm looking for something new (F2P or not), that's generally how I find out about it. Only the first 3-6 results are displayed, so you end up on the front page for about a day in most cases.

I have no idea what's coming in the update outside of the quest log OE teased. Having played TONS of other games, and then come back to AE, we really need one, and people will expect it. I'm not as vocal about it because I've played this game for nearly 15 years, so I've got a lot of history tying me to this game. The reality is AE is going against Korean style games like Luna, FlyFF, RO2, and pretty much every Nexon game, and all of them have some sort of basic tracking system so that if you step away for a few days and come back, you'll remember what you were doing.

For example, I haven't logged in to the game in about a week, and I couldn't tell you if my DTM is set for Dragons or Demons right now. It wouldn't take too long to figure out, but it'd be cool to just see it. I also have no idea how many of the ToF quests I've done, so it'd also be cool (and I don't know if this is planned) to see quests I've completed. We don't have quest markers on the NPCs with 1-time quests because this isn't that kind of game, but it'd be nice to be able to track those kinds of things.

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a market for this game, there most certainly is, but there's a few small quality of life changes that COULD make this game very sticky for someone looking for an old school MMO. Most of the time you get one shot from a new player. If you don't impress them off the bat, or if they get frustrated on Valinor there's not much chance of keeping that player and turning them into a subscriber.

Sadly there are business decisions to be made here, and it looks like they're choosing to go the route of "Let's fix quality of life issues before we go to Steam". If you think of this game like a business, I think that's the right call since the one shot a lot of people are going to give this game is while they're on the front page. The rest of the new folks will trickle in over time, but why waste a good opportunity if it takes a relatively short amount of time to put together a strong offering. I've seen people call the Dev's greedy multiple times, and this is not the greedy play, it's not a lazy play, it's the best long term strategy for the game.

And for how long this update is taking: This is also a passion project for guys that have full time jobs already. As a programmer myself, there's plenty of things I want to write that I'm passionate about, but when I get home from work, I'd rather see a beer can than a keyboard. Even if I am making a bit of money off of it, sometimes I'd just rather have a quiet night with Netflix and alcohol.

Posted by: Vodga Feb 4 2016, 10:00 AM

QUOTE(sick @ Feb 3 2016, 05:59 PM) *
LOL @ the people who quit/giveaway/sold their account/gear and asking now that they server be wiped to benefit them.


No one is asking for a wipe genius

Posted by: Urglab Feb 4 2016, 01:59 PM

QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 4 2016, 03:49 PM) *
QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 4 2016, 06:52 AM) *
QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 3 2016, 12:56 PM) *
They probably want to put their best foot forward so that if the game gets covered by anyone major that the player influx isn't wasted.

Also, your first 3 days on steam are the most important. You get top billing on the featured page for a few hours and then you're still on there for 1-3 days, so you'll pick up a lot of folks that way, and if the expectations of gamers in 2016 isn't met, the game won't be sticky enough for people to sub, and then what was the point of releasing the game on steam.

While I REALLY want to see new content, the business implications of this shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't think it'd be wise for them to release sooner than they're ready to, otherwise they'll have squandered the best opportunity they have to hook a new player base.


I just looked at steams free to play section and there are only 2 pages of results unless I was doing something wrong when I searched. And there and hundreds of indie titles with old school graphics. That's like the thing now. Look how popular hotline miami was and that looked like garbage. AE can get a revival, it's just been stuck in a dark musty corner of the internet for 10 years.


This is what mean: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win

That list is what shows up on steam's front page, and if I'm looking for something new (F2P or not), that's generally how I find out about it. Only the first 3-6 results are displayed, so you end up on the front page for about a day in most cases.

I have no idea what's coming in the update outside of the quest log OE teased. Having played TONS of other games, and then come back to AE, we really need one, and people will expect it. I'm not as vocal about it because I've played this game for nearly 15 years, so I've got a lot of history tying me to this game. The reality is AE is going against Korean style games like Luna, FlyFF, RO2, and pretty much every Nexon game, and all of them have some sort of basic tracking system so that if you step away for a few days and come back, you'll remember what you were doing.

For example, I haven't logged in to the game in about a week, and I couldn't tell you if my DTM is set for Dragons or Demons right now. It wouldn't take too long to figure out, but it'd be cool to just see it. I also have no idea how many of the ToF quests I've done, so it'd also be cool (and I don't know if this is planned) to see quests I've completed. We don't have quest markers on the NPCs with 1-time quests because this isn't that kind of game, but it'd be nice to be able to track those kinds of things.

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a market for this game, there most certainly is, but there's a few small quality of life changes that COULD make this game very sticky for someone looking for an old school MMO. Most of the time you get one shot from a new player. If you don't impress them off the bat, or if they get frustrated on Valinor there's not much chance of keeping that player and turning them into a subscriber.

Sadly there are business decisions to be made here, and it looks like they're choosing to go the route of "Let's fix quality of life issues before we go to Steam". If you think of this game like a business, I think that's the right call since the one shot a lot of people are going to give this game is while they're on the front page. The rest of the new folks will trickle in over time, but why waste a good opportunity if it takes a relatively short amount of time to put together a strong offering. I've seen people call the Dev's greedy multiple times, and this is not the greedy play, it's not a lazy play, it's the best long term strategy for the game.

And for how long this update is taking: This is also a passion project for guys that have full time jobs already. As a programmer myself, there's plenty of things I want to write that I'm passionate about, but when I get home from work, I'd rather see a beer can than a keyboard. Even if I am making a bit of money off of it, sometimes I'd just rather have a quiet night with Netflix and alcohol.


+1

It's so easy for a game to fall off the radar on steam. There are just so many of them. Not as many MMOs though, so that's a plus I guess. Many games are just dead on arrival simply because they are pushed off the new releases list really quickly.

Fix quality of life stuff, hopefully get some good reviews, word of mouth, etc. You only get one shot. First impressions are everything.

Posted by: herecomesgirls Feb 4 2016, 03:32 PM

If there was a new server added without summon corpse, I and I'm sure other people who don't enjoy the pointless pvp AE has now would play. Just call it the "Chaos Server" that we've been promised for the past 10 years. biggrin.gif
Death port when dying to mobs like Dransik has currently would be acceptable.

Posted by: Afkaserious Feb 4 2016, 07:04 PM

No summon corpse and old alignment system created the perfect risk vs reward system. There is currently no risk to attacking other players and going temp.

Posted by: sick Feb 5 2016, 06:16 AM

QUOTE(Vodga @ Feb 4 2016, 11:00 AM) *
QUOTE(sick @ Feb 3 2016, 05:59 PM) *
LOL @ the people who quit/giveaway/sold their account/gear and asking now that they server be wiped to benefit them.


No one is asking for a wipe genius


Poor guy shouldn't of sold your account for rent then.

Posted by: alfoid Feb 5 2016, 07:30 AM

They just want a server with no summons so they can form some lame A/dta guild that just mobs everyone up and steals their gear. That's why they don't want safe zones either. Then they would hold down all the bosses and prime hunting and leveling spots so people can't get new stuff and they can get brag about their kill/death and all the loot they have and be able to control the market and set high prices on everything. Actually, a chaos server would be a good idea because all the ******** would play on it and maybe H would be better.

Posted by: alfoid Feb 5 2016, 08:54 AM

QUOTE(Urglab @ Feb 4 2016, 01:59 PM) *
QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 4 2016, 03:49 PM) *
QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 4 2016, 06:52 AM) *
QUOTE(reikoshea @ Feb 3 2016, 12:56 PM) *
They probably want to put their best foot forward so that if the game gets covered by anyone major that the player influx isn't wasted.

Also, your first 3 days on steam are the most important. You get top billing on the featured page for a few hours and then you're still on there for 1-3 days, so you'll pick up a lot of folks that way, and if the expectations of gamers in 2016 isn't met, the game won't be sticky enough for people to sub, and then what was the point of releasing the game on steam.

While I REALLY want to see new content, the business implications of this shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't think it'd be wise for them to release sooner than they're ready to, otherwise they'll have squandered the best opportunity they have to hook a new player base.


I just looked at steams free to play section and there are only 2 pages of results unless I was doing something wrong when I searched. And there and hundreds of indie titles with old school graphics. That's like the thing now. Look how popular hotline miami was and that looked like garbage. AE can get a revival, it's just been stuck in a dark musty corner of the internet for 10 years.


This is what mean: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win

That list is what shows up on steam's front page, and if I'm looking for something new (F2P or not), that's generally how I find out about it. Only the first 3-6 results are displayed, so you end up on the front page for about a day in most cases.

I have no idea what's coming in the update outside of the quest log OE teased. Having played TONS of other games, and then come back to AE, we really need one, and people will expect it. I'm not as vocal about it because I've played this game for nearly 15 years, so I've got a lot of history tying me to this game. The reality is AE is going against Korean style games like Luna, FlyFF, RO2, and pretty much every Nexon game, and all of them have some sort of basic tracking system so that if you step away for a few days and come back, you'll remember what you were doing.

For example, I haven't logged in to the game in about a week, and I couldn't tell you if my DTM is set for Dragons or Demons right now. It wouldn't take too long to figure out, but it'd be cool to just see it. I also have no idea how many of the ToF quests I've done, so it'd also be cool (and I don't know if this is planned) to see quests I've completed. We don't have quest markers on the NPCs with 1-time quests because this isn't that kind of game, but it'd be nice to be able to track those kinds of things.

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a market for this game, there most certainly is, but there's a few small quality of life changes that COULD make this game very sticky for someone looking for an old school MMO. Most of the time you get one shot from a new player. If you don't impress them off the bat, or if they get frustrated on Valinor there's not much chance of keeping that player and turning them into a subscriber.

Sadly there are business decisions to be made here, and it looks like they're choosing to go the route of "Let's fix quality of life issues before we go to Steam". If you think of this game like a business, I think that's the right call since the one shot a lot of people are going to give this game is while they're on the front page. The rest of the new folks will trickle in over time, but why waste a good opportunity if it takes a relatively short amount of time to put together a strong offering. I've seen people call the Dev's greedy multiple times, and this is not the greedy play, it's not a lazy play, it's the best long term strategy for the game.

And for how long this update is taking: This is also a passion project for guys that have full time jobs already. As a programmer myself, there's plenty of things I want to write that I'm passionate about, but when I get home from work, I'd rather see a beer can than a keyboard. Even if I am making a bit of money off of it, sometimes I'd just rather have a quiet night with Netflix and alcohol.


+1

It's so easy for a game to fall off the radar on steam. There are just so many of them. Not as many MMOs though, so that's a plus I guess. Many games are just dead on arrival simply because they are pushed off the new releases list really quickly.

Fix quality of life stuff, hopefully get some good reviews, word of mouth, etc. You only get one shot. First impressions are everything.


steam has millions of users and there are like 20 free to play games. no way people aren't gonna check it out. if it does go to steam keep a second account logged on valinor to help and give advice. you guys are such debbie downers. this game is awesome, it's not for everyone, but it's cool. if it can't get 500-1000 new players off steam I'd be really surprised.

Posted by: Succubus Feb 5 2016, 10:53 AM

Oh yus yus, talking about Valinor: Will the VWC make a comeback? Yes or yes? :)

Posted by: reikoshea Feb 5 2016, 01:46 PM

QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 5 2016, 09:54 AM) *
steam has millions of users and there are like 20 free to play games. no way people aren't gonna check it out. if it does go to steam keep a second account logged on valinor to help and give advice. you guys are such debbie downers. this game is awesome, it's not for everyone, but it's cool. if it can't get 500-1000 new players off steam I'd be really surprised.


There's 250+ Free to Play multi player games. And you have to wade through a lot of REALLY good games like DOTA and Smite and Warframe before you're going to get to AE after it gets pushed off the featured page.

Jim Sterling will probably end up putting a few minutes into valinor, and Co-Optional will probably mention the game at the end of their podcast, and those two things happening will be where a lot of the opinions of this game are formed. We can do a lot as a community to help the impression the game gives and give it a really good shot of moving forward. The reality is though, if the gameplay doesn't provide what gamers are looking, then the highly visible reviewers have the ability to set the opinion of their viewers before they've ever even played.

Taking the time to polish the game now will increase the number of people that try it, because the game will show up in front of reviewers on the featured tab, and you get a lot of free advertising. There's no reason to waste that free advertising on critical reviews when you could turn some people that'd just say "Oh it's a heavily flawed MMO with a great community" into people saying "It feels like an up to date, old school, MMO with a great community".

*shrug* I've been known to be wrong, but I follow the PC gaming industry pretty closely, and the DEVs have worked in it for a while, so I trust their judgment on this (and I trust it even more because it seems to align with my own judgment).

Posted by: SoulHarvester Feb 5 2016, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Succubus @ Feb 5 2016, 06:53 PM) *
Oh yus yus, talking about Valinor: Will the VWC make a comeback? Yes or yes? :)

Pretty sure it will be once there's need to welcome new players.

Posted by: GM Quanyin Feb 6 2016, 12:31 PM

What he said ^

Posted by: Warrior X Feb 6 2016, 01:19 PM

QUOTE(alfoid @ Feb 5 2016, 07:30 AM) *
They just want a server with no summons so they can form some lame A/dta guild that just mobs everyone up and steals their gear. That's why they don't want safe zones either. Then they would hold down all the bosses and prime hunting and leveling spots so people can't get new stuff and they can get brag about their kill/death and all the loot they have and be able to control the market and set high prices on everything. Actually, a chaos server would be a good idea because all the ******** would play on it and maybe H would be better.



Lol Chill.... No summons, stealing gear, killing ppl, no safe zones, ect. That's what real pvp is and use to be.... Far as holding down bosses, hunting spots, mobbing people ect. We suggested this idea on a new fresh server, everyone has the same chance as us, no one ever cried back in the day about the **** you just described, if its cause gear is harder to get, well that's also why I suggested drop rates be much higher, and change up some of the damn items that drop from certain mobs that are retarded.

Posted by: mightymick Feb 7 2016, 02:12 PM

any sneak peaks of the videos and pictures your gonna use Oneeye

Posted by: Masteror Feb 10 2016, 03:14 PM

This sounds awesome! I would love to return to AE with my fellow comrads smile.gif

Also 2 new fresh servers would be sick!

Ps. also i have alot of screenshots if you would like to use them

Posted by: Theforgotone Feb 10 2016, 08:48 PM

wipe dransik lets gooo

Posted by: Zxenia Feb 11 2016, 07:00 PM

I also applaud these efforts laugh.gif

Posted by: TheMightySamson Feb 12 2016, 12:23 PM

This would be so kewl to see AE's return to yesteryears high activity level. All the old legendary players returning. All the new peeps joining. All the familiar faces and names again. A community reunion of sorts. Nice. I've been playing again over this past year as well. It's still fun and besides, I could never delete my char's after so many years of leveling and grinding. From my cold dead fingers... Good luck AE!

Posted by: Sheikki Feb 19 2016, 04:37 AM

New server would actually be nice. I started this game right after SoC was introduced and enjoyed playing AE alot back then. Then ToF came and for some reason it didnt feel as major as soc for me. Game has been on a standstill for ages and even an update would just mean work for certain amount of time. Completely new server, new characters and 4 huge expansions, getting to the "endgame" would take long and alot of people would enjoy that. I dont understand why people would be against it if they just keep the old servers around for people who dont want to start from 0.

Posted by: sick Feb 19 2016, 12:00 PM

Yeah, after playing on our same characters since the beginning, let's just reset everything...yeah no thanks. Some people actually worked on their characters and didn't have to macro or afk in hell pit with parties for dtms.

Posted by: Lord Grae Feb 19 2016, 05:32 PM

I agree. 7 years in the making and I hit every keystroke to get where I am today. No reset of characters please. TY LG

Posted by: dransik00 Feb 19 2016, 07:33 PM

I admit I haven't read every post in this topic yet but I don't believe I've read anyone asking for a reset... merely a new server without character moves for the first couple of years. There wasn't always two servers guys, a majority of the active playerbase started on P, S, KI or M&M.
There are arguments against a new server of course, the playerbase right now isn't even enough to properly support 2 servers, a new server would only work if the steam greenlight brought an influx of new/returning players.

Posted by: OneEye Feb 19 2016, 08:56 PM

a reset is not on the table

Posted by: Vincent Feb 20 2016, 11:12 AM

If there is a decent influx of new players, a new server would be awesome. I have played since 2002 and shudder to think of the number of hours I have sunk into my character, but I'd love to do it all again with a fresh crop of players!

Posted by: alfoid Feb 20 2016, 02:41 PM

You don't need a server reset to play with new players. Just make a new character. Delete your account and make a new one. The possibilities are endless!

Posted by: Warrior X Feb 22 2016, 05:11 AM

He did say reset wasn't on the table he didn't say anything about a new server so maybe smile.gif

Posted by: Vodga Feb 23 2016, 04:46 PM

New server would be epic and it most certainly would increase player base (=revenue).

Fresh start would give motivation to old farts since there's not much to see when you have achieved pretty much everything years ago.
Getting new players into community would be also much easier since everyone is on equal levels for the first couple of years.

Posted by: webo Feb 24 2016, 09:53 AM

I've played on and off for years, still not 110, i don't want to grind to 110 again. I'm so close
new server with option to move your 110's to that server for free once the first person hits 110 cool.gif

Posted by: Warrior X Feb 26 2016, 04:53 AM

uh no... I'd suggest you just stay on current server then and not play new server if not willing to restart like alot will, cause being able to move char over after first person hits 110 defeats the whole purpose.

Posted by: sick Feb 26 2016, 06:55 AM

Maybe you can sell him your other account so you can be rich for a couple days?

Posted by: Warrior X Feb 26 2016, 07:24 AM

Lol? You retarded or something?

Posted by: sick Feb 26 2016, 10:21 AM

Judging by your grammar, punctuation, and Neanderthal like features I would bet that your family lineage traces back to the first human retardation.

Posted by: webo Feb 27 2016, 06:39 AM

QUOTE(Warrior X @ Feb 26 2016, 04:53 AM) *
QUOTE(webo @ Feb 24 2016, 09:53 AM) *
I've played on and off for years, still not 110, i don't want to grind to 110 again. I'm so close
new server with option to move your 110's to that server for free once the first person hits 110 cool.gif


uh no... I'd suggest you just stay on current server then and not play new server if not willing to restart like alot will, cause being able to move char over after first person hits 110 defeats the whole purpose.


How does Moving a character over to a new server once the first players hit 110 defeat the perpose??? id make a noob and play a new server but if im not 110 after all these years on H then there is no chance ill b hitting 110 on a new server ever!
I have a 6day a week job and a kid to look after. I'm not about the grind nor do i have the time to sit there and powerlevel characters to 110 like alot of the AE community.

why should i be left on some dead server that no one will play if a new server becomes populated??? why should i have to grind to 110 again on a new server?

What about all the people who moved to L to gear and level to 110 to only come back to H because they were getting smacked in pvp, did that not defeat the purpose of making your char on a PVP server? yet it still happened.

Posted by: LordLink Feb 27 2016, 01:34 PM

OE should have just said "An update is not on the table" instead.

Posted by: Zxenia Feb 28 2016, 08:41 PM

I think we're all curious as to what the progress is on the listed updates and how steam-sync is going. Although I do know these things take time, it has been more than a couple of months. Any new updates @OneEye?

Posted by: OneEye Feb 29 2016, 06:34 PM

Things are progressing -- we've learned from the past to not give exact time estimations.

As we get closer we will talk more.

Posted by: Akhenaton Mar 1 2016, 09:58 AM

You've learned whats convenient to you, not your game community.
That's why ppl is so insatisfied and demanding stuff.


This game has the worst community management i've ever seen. Even smaller companies(lothgar's for example) has a closer and better relationship with their costumers/players, not to mention bigger ones.

Posted by: Fellnelm Mar 1 2016, 10:25 AM

+1 OE for 2016! Hail Hail! Keep winking Sir, just don't go blind. AECwink.gif

Posted by: LordLink Mar 1 2016, 01:38 PM

Just sell the game already OE, please..... Others would like to purchase it and actually do something with it lol.

Posted by: OneEye Mar 1 2016, 05:11 PM

Thanks for the encouragement!

Posted by: Red Tape Mar 2 2016, 03:24 AM

I think most people do appreciate the effort and hope for this game to have more players again. I know I do.
People seem to forget that the person who would be profiting the most from having this game be popular again would be you.
Thanks for keeping the game up and running while it's not making you any money.

Posted by: SoulHarvester Mar 2 2016, 03:28 AM

QUOTE(OneEye @ Mar 2 2016, 01:11 AM) *
Thanks for the encouragement!

Some positiveness! I have started YouTube channel called https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2jsdwVBnKM4eat8TT_25sQ, not sure if you saw that :) Would be nice if you could say what you like/dislike if you get a chance to look at it. Im still in learning phase, especially with talking party (which I am not used to), so need all kinds of suggestions.

Posted by: OneEye Mar 2 2016, 05:07 AM

QUOTE(SoulHarvester @ Mar 2 2016, 04:28 AM) *
QUOTE(OneEye @ Mar 2 2016, 01:11 AM) *
Thanks for the encouragement!

Some positiveness! I have started YouTube channel called https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2jsdwVBnKM4eat8TT_25sQ, not sure if you saw that smile.gif Would be nice if you could say what you like/dislike if you get a chance to look at it. Im still in learning phase, especially with talking party (which I am not used to), so need all kinds of suggestions.


Subscribed! Looks good so far.

Posted by: sick Mar 2 2016, 07:16 AM

QUOTE(LordLink @ Mar 1 2016, 02:38 PM) *
Just sell the game already OE, please..... Others would like to purchase it and actually do something with it lol.


Chill bro, go munch on some human growth hormones in the meantime while you wait for AE.

Posted by: Darkvertos Mar 2 2016, 11:18 AM

smh...

Posted by: Democ Jan 12 2017, 05:27 PM

So any news on this front? didnt find much on the forums. Been over a year....

Posted by: sick Jan 13 2017, 03:17 PM

QUOTE(Democ @ Jan 12 2017, 06:27 PM) *
So any news on this front? didnt find much on the forums. Been over a year....


It was all a fairy tale, like all the other ones before it.

Just an attempt to get old players back and spending money on something that will never happen.

Posted by: kamakaze Jan 13 2017, 09:23 PM

funny how he tells these mad stories and never lives up to them biggrin.gif hes the biggest ****ing troll in this game

Posted by: Kab00m Jan 17 2017, 04:18 AM

Pretty sure that nothing will happen. AE is gona be like this forever :P

Posted by: Drakonis Jan 18 2017, 09:08 AM

Yea... I would say enjoy what you can. But thats hard on H the way things are.

Posted by: WarriorOfKrythan Feb 10 2017, 09:06 PM

http://steamed.kotaku.com/valve-kills-steam-greenlight-1792225494

Posted by: Zxenia Feb 11 2017, 01:26 AM

QUOTE(WarriorOfKrythan @ Feb 10 2017, 09:06 PM) *
http://steamed.kotaku.com/valve-kills-steam-greenlight-1792225494


So as easy as that, pay a small fee and get your game on steam.

See no problem.

Posted by: sick Feb 11 2017, 07:34 AM

QUOTE(Zxenia @ Feb 11 2017, 02:26 AM) *
QUOTE(WarriorOfKrythan @ Feb 10 2017, 09:06 PM) *
http://steamed.kotaku.com/valve-kills-steam-greenlight-1792225494


So as easy as that, pay a small fee and get your game on steam.

See no problem.


But wait! There always will be one.

Who has time to pay small fees in order to make bigger fees?

Stupid people...

Posted by: Necrosis Feb 12 2017, 04:09 AM

Yea! Ashen Empires 2017 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: sick Jan 7 2018, 02:20 PM

AEClaugh.gif

Posted by: Zerzil Jan 7 2018, 11:38 PM

You got me for a second

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